They never went into these situations with the intent of hurting or offending anyone. if he just said that he wasshocked because he thought they were gay/trans, then its iffy. window.googletag.cmd.push(function() { if henry said that the idea of his band mates being gay/transworried him, thats homophobic and transphobic. MAMAMOO's Hwasa is a cast member in the MBS reality show I live Alone (literal translation). One of the latest developments in recent times, that is currently drawing attention on online communities such as Nate/Pann and Twitter is the promotional period of K-Pop groups/soloists. Meanwhile for girl groups it's just full of hate comments even if they did not do as many or as severe problematic things as boy groups. pg.acq.push(function() { I can understand how a youtube translating team could mess up their translation, Ive seen it happen before, but as a person who doesnt know Korean I have to go off what Korean-speaking people tell me. It is absurd. The last thing repeatedly referenced against Hwasa is the fact that she wore a durag on Queendom during Mamamoos Good Luck performance. Yes, I should have checked the links. I like most of the members included in that post, please dont try to make it out like I dont, because it perpetuates the idea that fans cant criticise the things they love. actually dont feel like fighting that person on their response, so im just letting it go. Have they done offensive and hurtful things in the past? Another chose to call out an even older incident, one in which Hwasa used the n-word while covering a Beyonc song. Yes, I should have included more info and specified where I wasnt knowledgable. The environment that they grew up in is much different than ours; they're surrounded by customs and norms from their own society and culture. Thats not fair to them at all and makes absolutely no sense. In the way that we see them care for each other and their fans concerns, I really dont see how they could MEAN to hurt anyones feelings with how they might act at times. That crosses every sort of line. I really dislike fat girls. Normal version comes with 1 random photocard out of 4. Threads: 138. Daily persecution? Its so sad because I love them and hope they grow more internationally. Personally, I come from a Chinese household with really racist, sexist, misogynistic, and homophobic beliefs. The group officially debuted with their single "Mr. Ambiguous" on June 18, 2014. Ngl I let out a couples laughs tho. Twitter for Android 1 Quote Tweet 8 Likes Who can reply? According to Koreaboo, throughout the conversations, not a single person from their side attempted to make excuses for their actions. For a lot of other controversies in Korea (like addressing an older person informally), international fans may not understand those issues as well as Koreans and believe that it's no big deal. Hwasa's most recent callout stemmed from her latest comeback with the track 'Maria', a song that delved into her own struggles with mental health and being on the receiving end of severe hate. The thing that happened next is the thing often referenced the most when discussing Mamamoos past, Hwasa singing the n-word. }); The Official MAMAMOO 18+ Thread - The Bar (18+) - OneHallyu Hello everyone, in honor of MAMAMOOs super awesome comeback for their sassy title track, Um Ah Oh Yeh, from their Pinky Funky mini album, I have decided to create a 18+ thread for the sexy ladies of MAMAMOO. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. Thats not true. The next big issue made public came when Solar dressed up as a Korean beggar from Train to Busan (2016) for their next ending concert video. I can definitely understand where youre coming from and why you sounded defensive. I heard that this picture would drive people with OCD crazy.. It then grew and grew until every day Mamamoo was receiving complaints about their dancing, calling their vocals fake, and most of all, attacking their looks and hygiene. i seriously didnt mean to sound defensive?? TWICE - jihyo: wore a native american costume + introduced herself as ''indian jihyo . Some people are a bit skeptic of whether or not I actually like Super Junior, which I can understand, but I would like to clarify that I do. I think its kind of childish and irresponsible to exaggerate information and twist the truth just to justify your own personal dislike for a person, without regard for out it may affect them or their fans. And while her more recent missteps are nowhere near what she has done in the past, they still, nonetheless, fall in the realm of what many consider offensive. eventAction: 'load' It is common in America to wear red puffy wigs as the stereotype of a clown, however it is not as common in South Korea, which is why Hwasa wore braids as the hair to her outfit. It also means I respond to criticism poorly. Also I see hate being normalised and even being defended its not hard if u don't want to forgive them then just ignore or block all mentions of them. It is continued bashing and harassment of four girls, who for all accounts dont deserve it. The following 32 users Like TheSexyTwiMan's post: You must understand that Asians are very very different from non asians in terms of being conservative, preferring lighter skin and saying that theh are not gay. As for the Kris thing, Im aware its Heechuls opinion, but considering Kris left for very valid reasons (and was practically being abused by SM, as it seems many of the Chinese members were) I would say that it could be consideredproblematic to call Kris disrespectful for leaving, especially after all the shit he got from fans and the members themselves. They've made mistakes in the past, but they're learning and growing through their experiences. hitType: 'event', It's incredibly frustrating dealing with these kinds of people. when Lay said, When asked about his ideal type, said that she, He and Chen chose Kai and Tao as the members they wouldnt want to date if they were girls, when Chen was explaining why, Xiumin interrupted him and saidThey both have a similarity, theyre both tanned (, Posted a photograph of him in a face mask on Weibo and captioned it, Apparently there were some old online comments from Baekhyuns cyworld account where he called girls at his High School sluts but I cant find any screenshots, Chanyeol and Baekhyun apparently admitted to teasing the Chinese members at first for their pronunciation/korean and acted somewhat cold towards them, though I cannot find a source for this, Many people have said Chanyeol said his ideal type would have white/pale skin but I cant find a source on that so Im not sure, Some people have told me that Kris is sexist/misogynistic but I cant find anything about this online, I also vaguely remember seeing a picture of exo which one of the members wrote comments on and there was something about Kais skin being dark but I cant remember who it was (possibly Kai himself?) I recently fell in love with these girls again after I took a break from kpop. I think this is one thing that remains somewhat undecided but considering Baekhyuns track record, I wouldnt put it past him tbh. there is nothing wrong with heechul thinking kris leaving exo was disrespectful - its his opinion, its not problematic. No it doesnt excuse what theyve said, but its likely that they have changed, which is something everybody does and it should be embraced. They removed the video from the ending of their concert shows and Mamamoo also personally apologized at their following concert to anyone who could have been affected by their previous actions. Its easy for us to do because we arent in their position, I know we like to believe that we would be 100% perfect celebrities if we were given the chance, but we havent been in the spotlight for 10 years (Im sure I would have messed up far more than some of the members have over 10 years). Red Velvet too. eventCategory: event.slot.getSlotElementId(), Im not Korean and I dont live in Korea so Im not comfortable talking about Korean social norms or anything like that, but colorism and homophobia are still bad and damaging things. Recently the show aired a special live on the YouTube channel of I Live Alone. Heres the thing- you can not forgive them. The K-POP idol's vocal talent is considered one of the best in the industry and yet, she continues to receive a great amount of . Some of the stuff I included turned out to be something I misunderstood (for example, the gifset of Siwon) and with other things, I didnt include enough information or included misinformation. While Mamamoo being popular with the public is widely known, many are unaware of just how many actors, idols, and senior producers they have won over with their authentic shows and cheery personalities. Um yeah they are just that close that they make fun of each other. Whew, Im sorry for the long post haha. Most of the controveries are from a while back (solar imitating her senior, the strawberry jam song). My anxiety and paranoia are bad enough as it is but they shoot up every time I post on here, leaving me feeling sick when I cant check my inbox (or when I have lots of messages) and paranoid that everybody hates me/this blog. In order to do that, I must describe the actions Mamamoo has done in the past that received the most vocal and widespread backlash, and then explain what happened as a result. As I am not muslim (and Im not sure if you are or not) I feel as though its not really up for me to say whether or not its offensive ora reach. In response to the criticisms of how I was presenting my information, they are valid criticisms. Anyway, I hope this didnt come across as rude or anything, but I really need to go to sleep now. kpop problematic carrd! Mamamoo is not the most problematic group ever I'm a fairly new Mamamoo fan and I was hearing a lot about them being super problematic towards black people (so being black) I decided to some research to find out. Yes theres a chance it was scripted (something I didnt include originally but will add) but since we arent sure, I included it anyway. hitType: 'event', We all make mistakes and Mamamoo is no exception. Fans welcome to spam photos, videos, gifs, to talk about Mamamoo, Solar, Moonbyul, Wheein, Hwasa updates, music, content or anything. If it had just been misheard or a mistranslation, why would they censor it? heechul just wore a scarf on his head - thats not how anyone wears a hijab properly and white women have been doing that since like the 40s. I've researched it online and all I see are hate comments, especially towards Solar and Wheein. I found out that they did blackface which is disgusting and heartbreaking cause I really liked them so I stewed on it for a few days and looked again and found that they had apologised that same day 2x and that they also apologised in person the next day concert. But- and heres the but- not forgiving them is no excuse for repeated bullying, harassment, and worse. They've made mistakes in the past, but they're learning and growing through their experiences. Again I apologise for any of the harm I have caused with this blog, it was definitely unintentional, but thats no excuse. I feel like this sounds insincere but its not, I promise, I wish I had gone about it very differently. Yeah, the first thing international fans do is hear that Mamamoo is bad and that they shouldn't like them, and then they jump in on the hate without doing their own research. So i don't usually dig into controversies but I couldn't help bumping into a few recently regarding Mamamoo. Hwasa trolled for past racism as #AskHwasa trends, Internet asks which ethnicity she will 'offend' next. eventCategory: event.slot.getSlotElementId(), I suffer from lots of different mental health problems (I dont want to go too into detail but I have ADHD and also struggle with BPD, bipolar + other issues) and this blog really does not help. But what appears to be the root of people's unforgiving nature where Hwasa is concerned is that despite past apologies and promises to do better, the idol has continued to make mistakes in the form of cultural appropriation. You are entitled to your own opinion, and if what Mamamoo has done is considered too ignorant or rude for you to support them anymore, that is 100% in your right to not excuse them for it. Mamamoo Has Been Receiving Hate Storms- And It's Only Getting Worse. Some things aren't even their fault, but ofc they're going to frame it that way (like Wheein saying that she feels like a normal person for making silly faces and people bashing her saying that she's thinking too highly of herself as a celebrity? problematickpop:. A lot of it is about perspective, and privilege, but also some people have lower tolerance levels than other people. kpop groups; soloists; socials and info; Back; kpop groups. And despite Hwasa's fans attempting to set the record straight through her own apologies and explanations, the hashtag continued to be used by many to troll the idol. They're also one of the very few idol groups where everyone has expressed that they're supportive of the LGBT+ community, which is huge especially in such a conservative country like South Korea. Yeah, the first thing international fans do is hear that Mamamoo is bad and that they shouldn't like them, and then they jump in on the hate without doing their own research. The sun will always shine for us. I think people need to realize that Asia is still inside a bit of a bubble when it comes to what is appropriate regarding race and cultures. I have no reason not to trust the 2 Korean-speaking people whove come forward and told me it isnt a mistranslation? So girls have to be skinny and boys can be Taken aback by their remarks, Shindong quickly explained, Im just saying. I still like Ryeowook, I wont defend what he did, but Im still his fan. There are many areas where I am still ignorant and I think I have a bit of an issue with talking over people, a bad habit I really need to break. And please send me a link when you upload the video, Id be interested in seeing your translation. Posts: 337. its good(, When asked who their ideal types would be if the other members were girls, Chen chose Luhan and Chanyeol chose D.O and Lay then took the microphone to clarify that they were not gay by saying, A similar incident occurred at a concert(?) }); Mamamoo's Hwasa has come under fire more than once after accusations of racism and cultural appropriation. True, the haters just don't know them so they judge easily. I feel like stepping back will give me more time to learn and expand my horizons and less time to speak on topics I dont actually know much about. You need to Register or Login to view the content If a celebrity said something homophobic 5 years ago but is now a huge activist in the lgbtq+ community, its likely that they were just ignorant and have learned since. Now you may be wondering, this dating news had absolutely nothing to do with Mamamoo, why were Moos suddenly preparing for a new war against Hwasa hate comments? Sorry this got a bit long but I appreciate you responding. Thanks for posting this. Comes with 1 group photocard and 2 random member photocards out of 8. Offensive Super Junior Masterpost. (but if you need the actual fan account to knock that off, i guess ill find someone who can give that to you. But she probably could not have predicted that an #AskHwasa hashtag could have drawn out some of the worst Twitter drags in recent times. Posts: 310. Their sound is diverse, but can best be described as a mix between jazz, retro, and R&B. The word Hwasa has become a synonym for trash in the eyes of many K-pop fans, which in turn leads to them believing it is acceptable to beat her down as a defection of their own kpop favs. That worried him. ", The link includes the statements released on the group's behalf, most notably, their own apologies for their use of blackface which was released within four hours of the video going out. 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